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Serendipity Lost
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Posted - 2015.01.28 15:34:17 -
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Make BS hulls immunt to local. They show up on D-scan, but not in local. Their lack of speed and manueverability are balanced by thier showing up on Dscan but not visible in local. They would also need to be overlooked by the jump in the last hour counters that the map displays.
What content this would generate.
Think it through folks. There are just soooo many plusses to this. So many intersting tactics. So many interesting options. Think of the expertise, planning and just everything for hiding your BS hammer fleet from the unsuspecting eyes of your victims. Then, once the hammer falls, the party is on. It's not like you can just race home after an engagement. |
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:05:18 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Buff large remote reps on battleships so everyone uses RR battleship gangs again! :D
In seriousness though, battleships can still be effective. They're just not always the right tool for the job, and that gets them some bad rep, from people using BS when they should have used a T3, or ishtar.
Here's the deal. When a gang is looking through it's hangar looking for a fleet to go roam with, they go with squishtars. Super squishy tanks, but the average risk averse eve tool just wants to drop his dps and kite out to safety. The problem with a BS is that if you undock in one you could lose it. There is a lot of focus on looking and being 'good' on the kb end of things and not a lot of emphasis on risking stuff and having fun doing it.
Your suggestion to buff RR kind of underlines this. Keep the ship as is and improve its survivability. Your average RR domi ball right now can dominate a comperable size squishtar fleet. Buffing them just unbalances a module and creates different problems. If you increased RR module effectiveness folks won't mothball their squishtars or their T3 and all hop in BS. It's a big slow expensive ship that is easy to hold down once catch you it.
Risk aversion is why BS don't see more use. There are just so many ships w/ greater survivability and mobility out there. Examining the standard cloaky wh T3 fleet. Their dps is borderline pathetic, BUT they are easy to keep alive w/ the 5 guardians/bassi that came along for the ride. Folks aren't going to just give that up.
Ishtars are picked over BS because they can drop sentries and run. Take the sentries away and they become a balanced HAC and they will return to normal status. T3 monster tank w/ molehill sig radius is why they get the nod over BS.
Buffing BS RR would just unbalance other parts of the game. It won't encourage BS fleets to become popular. |
Serendipity Lost
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:36:01 -
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So sentries should only be in BS w/ the bandwidth to use them and that's it. Baltec1 is right. They cause more problems than they are worth. That being said, keeping them in BS may be one of the niche things that breaths some life back into them.
BS become the only platform that can deploy sentry drones and are immune to local = BS become an interesting PVP option. |
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:52:50 -
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I haven't used a bhallgorn since..... the day before yesterday. Mine is a cap stable shield version without a ship scanner. It totally rocks and all my corpies totally hate the fit.... until they want a carriers cap removed, then it's ok to have. The last 2 BS I lost were a pair of pve nightmares I dropped into and ishtar fight to save a bud's vargur. It was a bad idea, but I was already in them, so....
Maybe we are twins seperated at birth?
As far as ishtars and T3. I'm in what may be the only wh corp in eve that doesn't like to use either one of them.
I like the no BS in local and the only sentry drone platform idea. Not everyone can cope w/ losing billion isk battleships in pvp. |
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:59:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Scan ress and warp speed are the deciding factors, and agility is to bad. I have a megathron that warps and aligns faster than cruisers.
I have an IQ of 163 and an 'average' peen of 10.328 inches.
Oh... sorry, I thought this was going in a different direction.
He's still right Baltec1. Of course you can make your mega do amazing things, but at a price.
I can put a higs rig on my mega and make it so slow that you wouldn't notice I was getting away.
Now all 3 of us have correct statements. I'm just not sure what you and I are trying to prove. |
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:14:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:baltec1 wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Scan ress and warp speed are the deciding factors, and agility is to bad. I have a megathron that warps and aligns faster than cruisers. I have an IQ of 163 and an 'average' peen of 10.328 inches. Oh... sorry, I thought this was going in a different direction. He's still right Baltec1. Of course you can make your mega do amazing things, but at a price. I can put a higs rig on my mega and make it so slow that you wouldn't notice I was getting away. Now all 3 of us have correct statements. I'm just not sure what you and I are trying to prove. The drawbacks are not all that great anymore.
That's not true. I rarely get a second date. |
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Posted - 2015.01.30 12:30:36 -
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You guys just need to let go of the hole bandwith shinanigans w/ the ishtar. The problem is that it drops sentries AND runs. That whole 'only 4 sentries' just reduces the problem by 20% It doesn't fix the problem.
It's the whole treat the symptoms or cure the disease thing. Their high dps is a symptom. Other HACs have high dps, but they are not OP. Ishtar has high dps and kites away. Other (not OP HACs) have high dps (deimos for example) but are not OP. It's the drop and run combo that is OP.
Taking sentries away from cruiser hulls gets rid of the drop and run issue. They would still be able to drop heavy drones, but would need to hang around and web/scram their prey to apply the big damage.
I think this would help BS pvp viability. Making sentries BS only and making them un assignable would create a unique operation mode for BS. If an FC wants instant sentry damage - he needs to bring a BS fleet. It preserves the sentry drone and creates a niche for the BS to get them out there on the field.
Keep in mind what makes the sentry so attractive. It has zero travel time to get in range of it's target. That does a couple of things. You can't just turn on some smart bombs and get rid of the - you have to boat over to them and then smartbomb them, which isn't a small thing to do. You don't get 10 seconds (this varies down in a short range brawl and can get silly when heavies chase a fast target) or more from engagement time until your drones get into damage dealing range of their target. These features make assigning sentries attractive to FC and somewhat problematic on the game balance end.
I think making them BS only would be sweet. It would instantly fix the whole cruiser sentry imbalance. It would bring the ishtar in line w/ other HACs by forcing it to actually tackle opponents if it wants to properly apply heavy drone dps. (The vexor and navey vexor would take a good lumping, but they would still be T1 cruisers doing BS damage if a pilot were willing to actually engage via scram/web - kiting vexors would no longer be as attractive).
Taking sentries away from capital ships would also get rid of some balance issues (ok, server crushing archons issues), but I'm not sure CCP could justify 'no sentries' on carriers just based on what carriers are, but taking the assign function away from the drone itself would do wonders also. Then there is the whole large null block influence on CCP decisions that has worked to make/keep some aspects of the game quite silly and unintersting.
So - Sentries as BS only weapons would be great for BS (and other stuff). Sentries as BS and above with no ability to assign them out ot others would be a lesser option, but would still have a lot of good impact on the game.
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Posted - 2015.01.30 16:40:20 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:If the choice is listening to a fairly famous EVE pilot (Baltec) who has proven (by actually playing the game) that he knows what he's doing or some F&I theory crafters of....lets call it "less notoriety" (lol)....well, all i can say is "Hail Baltec"  I am not personally qualified to debate the finer points of PVP with BS hulls but what Baltec is saying does make sense on several levels. I am going to have to go with Jenn aSide on this one.
I dunno, when the FC says harpy fleet and the guy shows up in a mega.... Do we really want to encourage that sort of behavior from everyone? I think the guy should be used as an example and handled accordingly. We have to stick the the doctrine or chaos will run rampant.
Baltec1 reminds me of the cat in that video I saw. The one where the little toy boy dog gets some extra extra strange. I don't think this kind of behavior should be encouraged. (I didn't actually see the video - one of the F&I experts described it to me) |
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